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Matt2442
2024-01-16 01:02:30 UTC
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A great compilation of the collective teachings of Ron Skiba, Mike Heisner and Dr. Missler.
Matt2442:
Thanks Bluettes! At one time or another I've probably watched the original videos, but this looks like the person who posted very cleverly editad them together. Sad that all 3 of these men have gone to be with Jesus (not sad for them).
bluettes
2024-01-16 17:52:39 UTC
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http://youtu.be/b2pORs3NM1s
A great compilation of the collective teachings of Ron Skiba, Mike Heisner and Dr. Missler.
Thanks Bluettes! At one time or another I've probably watched the original videos, but this looks like the person who posted very cleverly editad them together. Sad that all 3 of these men have gone to be with Jesus (not sad for them).
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rpbc
2024-01-21 05:25:06 UTC
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http://youtu.be/b2pORs3NM1s
rpbc: Okay, very very good. That/this is scholarship. And, part two. Listen to part one first to appreciate part two.

Babyshoes Loveachother
2024-02-04 06:54:23 UTC
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http://youtu.be/b2pORs3NM1s
A great compilation of the collective teachings of Ron Skiba, Mike Heisner and Dr. Missler.
Thanks Blue
Just watched this, Very well done!
Matt2442
2024-02-05 21:42:00 UTC
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http://youtu.be/b2pORs3NM1s
A great compilation of the collective teachings of Ron Skiba, Mike Heisner and Dr. Missler.
Thanks Blue
Just watched this, Very well done!
Matt2442:
Three separate lectures on essentially the same topic, edited together so that the information flows as though it is one lectures. Well done indeed. This is an example of how Gene Scott’s pretense of having exclusive info not available elsewhere would not stand in the internet age.
No One Special
2024-02-06 06:31:18 UTC
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Three separate lectures on essentially the same topic, edited together so that the information flows as though it is one lectures. Well done indeed. This is an example of how Gene Scott’s pretense of having exclusive info not available elsewhere would not stand in the internet age.
Answer...........

Agreed. Gene taught a lot good fundamental biblical principles (some of which are rumored to have been "borrowed" from J. Vernon McGee, but none the less...), principles any Christian should be grounded in. But, in this information age (massive information available on the Internet) much of Gene's claims would have been easily debunked. Amityville being a prime example; the entire haunting story was pure made up B.S.

Which brings up one of Doc's biggest failures; when researching or teaching on any subject it's vitally important to include antagonizing material in your research repertoire'. Material that directly challenges what you believe to be true. I never had the impression that Gene spent much time searching through material that disagreed with or debunked what he was teaching on any given subject.

Case in point (of mine); I have learned a hell of a lot more by reading and researching pro monetary -- so called "New Testament from income tithing" material than by reading anti monetary tithing material. (monetary meaning tithing money from income) I subjected both pro and con to this...

Acts 17:11 - "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

And, hence the reason for this...
Differences of opinions in the church are important in order to flush out error and heresies;
1 Corinthians 11:19 -

King James Version... "For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you."
New International Version... "No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval."
New Living Translation... "But, of course, there must be divisions among you so that you who have God’s approval will be recognized!"
English Standard Version... "for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized."

Gene never permitted antagonizing teaching in his church. Antagonizing teaching that could have served to correct him (or even prove him correct on any give subject), and that was one of the main factors that false doctrine from his pulpit (including his nightly chair on the FOF) ran amuck. No one was encouraged to "search the scriptures daily, whether those things were so" and submit Gene's teaching to proper scriptural correction. Gene said it, so it was "gospel truth." Melissa continues the same damning error.

Another case in point; antagonizing material on the subject of the so called "10 lost tribes"...
What is British Israelism and is it biblical?
British Israelism, also known as Anglo-Israelism, is the belief that the "lost ten tribes" of Israel migrated to Europe and then to England and became the primary ancestors of the British people and, thereby, the United States. British Israelism was made popular by the Worldwide Church of God and Herbert Armstrong, but other groups have held the doctrine as well.

Is British Israelism true and biblical? In order to determine this, we need to examine the two primary claims: (1) The ten tribes were lost, and (2) the ten tribes migrated to England.

(1) 2 Kings 17:18 states that Israel was deported to Assyria in 722 B.C. After this time, mention of the ten northern tribes (Israel) is rare in Scripture. However, other Scriptures (and historical records) indicate that some of the people of the northern ten tribes remained in the land. Second Chronicles 35:18 records Israel celebrating the Passover with Judah approximately 90 years after the Assyrian deportation. It is likely that many people of the northern ten tribes fled to Judah to escape the Assyrians, and even more fled to the safety of Judah after the Assyrians had ransacked Israel. Second Chronicles 15:9 records people from Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon settling in Judah long before the Assyrian invasion. In the New Testament, the prophetess Anna is said to be from the tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36), one of the supposed ten lost tribes. So, yes, many people from the northern ten tribes were deported to Assyria, never to be mentioned again. At the same time, there is sufficient evidence in Scripture to prove that the ten tribes were not lost, but rather rejoined with Judah in the south. It is likely that when Judah was deported by the Babylonians, the people would have sought out the Israelites in Assyria (very near Babylon) and joined with them. In the returns to Israel recorded in Ezra and Nehemiah, the Scriptures nowhere limit the returnees as being entirely from the tribe of Judah.

(2) Is it possible that some of the deported Israelites emigrated to Europe, even England? Yes. Is it likely? No. A journey from Assyria to England would have been exceedingly difficult in ancient times, especially for a large number of people. Geographically speaking, Afghan-Israelism and even Japanese-Israelism have a greater possibility of truth. Further, why would Assyria, or later Babylon, or later Persia allow the Israelites to migrate outside of their territories? Further, if the Israelites had the ability to migrate, why would they travel to Europe / England instead of back to their ancestral homeland? So, while it is possible that some Israelites migrated to Europe / England, it is highly unlikely that this occurred to any significant degree.

The primary goal behind British Israelism is to claim that England and the United States have inherited the covenant promises God made to Israel. While England and the United States have been blessed by God in many ways, it is not because God’s promises to Israel have been transferred to those two nations. God’s covenants with Israel always involved the specific land of Israel. Abraham’s descendants would inherit the land. The blessings of God to Israel were always in connection with the specific land that was promised. These promises, therefore, cannot apply to England or the United States, as those two nations do not possess the promised land. Further, while a significant number of Americans have English heritage, there are far more American immigrants from other nations combined than from England.

British Israelism (and other forms of Israelism) should be rejected because it does not have a solid basis biblically or historically.
And...
The Ten Lost Tribes
Mystery of the Myth:
by Chuck Missler • June 1, 1995

This month (June 1995) we celebrate the Feast of Shavout, or Pentecost. In Peter's famous speech on this day in Acts Chapter 2, he referred to both "Jews" and "Israel", which brings up an ubiquitous myth concerning the "Ten Lost Tribes" of Israel.

There are many groups that believe the northern tribes, separated during the rift between Rehoboam and Jeroboam after the death of Solomon (and subsequently taken captive by Assyria in 722 b.c.), later migrated to Europe and elsewhere.

The myth of the "Ten Lost Tribes" is the basis for "British- Israelism" and other colorful legends, but these stories have no real Biblical basis. They are based upon misconceptions derived from the misreading of various Bible passages.1

The Faithful Voted With Their Feet

Before the Assyrian captivity, substantial numbers from the northern tribes had identified themselves with the house of David.2 The rebellion of Jeroboam and subsequent crises caused many to repudiate the Northern Kingdom and unite with the Southern Kingdom in a common alliance to the house of David and a desire to worship the Lord in Jerusalem.3

In 930 b.c., Jeroboam ruled the Northern Kingdom from his capital in Samaria.4 When Jeroboam turned the Northern Kingdom to idolatry, the Levites (and others who desired to remain faithful) migrated south to Rehoboam.5

Horrified that Jeroboam had set up a rival religion with golden calf worship at Bethel and Dan, many Northerners moved south, knowing that the only place acceptable to God was the Temple on Mt. Moriah.6 Those who favored idolatry migrated north to Jeroboam.

Later, when Asa reigned as king in the south, another great company came from the north.7

Years after the deportation by Assyria, King Hezekiah of Judah issued a call to all Israel to come and worship in Jerusalem and celebrate the Passover.8 Eighty years later King Josiah of Judah also issued a call, and an offering for the Temple was received from "Manasseh and Ephraim and all the remnant of Israel...."9

Eventually, all 12 tribes were represented in the south. God even addresses the 12 tribes in the south: "Speak unto Rehoboam the son of Solomon, king of Judah, and to all Israel in Judah and Benjamin...."10

The "tribe of Judah" (2 Kings 17:18, et al.) is used idiomatically for the Southern Kingdom.11 When encountering the tribal designations, it is important to distinguish between the territories allocated to the tribes and the people themselves.

The Northern Kingdom Falls

In 724 b.c. Shalmaneser V besieged Samaria for three years. King Hoshea of Israel attempted to revolt against paying Assyrians annual tribute money--a treaty with Pharaoh of Egypt did not help 12--and Samaria, Jeroboam's capital, fell in 722 b.c. with Sargon II seizing power in 721 b.c.

The Assyrians implemented their infamous policy of mixing conquered peoples to keep them from organizing a revolt. Israelite captives were mixed with Persians and others, and strangers from far-off lands were resettled in Samaria. The resulting mixed, quasi-Jewish populations became the "Samaritans."13 (You can read about this "fall" in 2 Kings 17.)

Not all from the Northern Kingdom were deported. Archaeologists have uncovered annals of the Assyrian Sargon, in which he tells that he carried away only 27,290 people and 50 chariots.14

Population estimates of the Northern Kingdom at that time range from 400,000 to 500,000; less than 1/20th were deported-- mostly the leadership from the capital, Samaria. The rest of the Northern Kingdom were taken by Assyria as slaves, which were a valuable commodity. (It is difficult to view the Assyrians as careless enough to let their captives wander off to Europe.)

When the Babylonians take over Assyria, the descendants of the "ten tribes" were probably again commingled with the captives of Judah.

The Babylonians Take Over

When the Northern Kingdom went into captivity (722 b.c.), all 12 tribes were also represented in the south. When the Babylonians took the Southern Kingdom into captivity (586 b.c.), members of all 12 tribes of Israel were involved. Isaiah, prophesying to Judah, refers to them as the "House of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel..." (Isaiah 48:1; cf. vv. 12-14).

Post-Captivity Terminology

After the Babylonian captivity, the terms "Jew" and "Israelite" are used interchangeably. Ezra calls the returning remnant "Jews" 8 times and "Israel" 40 times. (Ezra also speaks of "all Israel": Ezra 2:70; 3:11; 8:35; 10:25, et al.) Nehemiah uses the term "Jew" 11 times and "Israel" 22 times. Nehemiah too speaks of "all Israel" being back in the land (Nehemiah 12:47). The remnant who returned from Babylon is represented as "the nation" (Malachi 1:1, et al.).

The same is true in the New Testament. Our Lord is said to have offered Himself to the nation, "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6; 15:24). Tribes other than Judah are mentioned specifically in the New Testament as being represented in the land.15

Anna knew her tribal identity was of the tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36). Paul knew he was of the tribe of Benjamin, a "Jew" and an "Israelite" (Romans 11:1). The New Testament speaks of "Israel" 75 times and uses the word "Jew" 174 times.16

At the Feast of Pentecost Peter cries, "Ye men of Judea" (Acts 2:14), "ye men of Israel..." (Acts 2:22), and "All the house of Israel" (Acts 2:36).

Regathered as One

Ezekiel 36 and 37, the Dry Bones Vision, declares that Judah (Jews) and Israel (10 tribes) shall be joined as one in the regathering.17 This is true today. (The total physical descendants were not the people to whom the promises were made [Romans 9:4-7].)

Anti-Semitism

Accompanying some of the legends of the so-called "Ten Lost Tribes" are aspersions on the present State of Israel and the people being regathered in the Land. These various theories such as "British Israelism" are by their nature anti-Semitic because they deny the Jewish people their proper place in the plan of God. Let's remember that Genesis 12:3 has never been repealed!

Israel is being regathered in the land just as God has announced.18 There is yet to come an event which will awaken them to realize that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob once again has His hand upon them (Ezekiel 38, 39). I believe this event could happen at any moment. 19

The Throne of David was promised to the Son of Mary (Luke 1:32). I believe His taking possession of it is on the near horizon. Maranatha!

Sources:

Lewis, David Allen, Can Israel Survive in a Hostile World?, New Leaf Press, 1993.
Scofield, C.I., The New Scofield Study Bible, notes on 2 Kings 17:23.
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