Post by matt2442Matt2442;
Seems like Pastor Fulcher (Pastor Fuckler, LOL!!) was probably Gene
Scott's hardest core supporter among the clergy, but there were
others. For a while there was a guy from Texas named Jim Reynolds,
whom Doc never could get the guy's address down. I guess Doc wanted
the guy to give his address every time he called in so he could tell
people where his church was. I'm sure the guy eventually got sick of
Gene because we didn't hear from him after a while. Then of course
there was surfkrow's Pastor, Leslie Hale, who also appeared at the
LAUC to kiss Doc's ass, and that Lutheran pastor who used to post in
here for a while (I don't know to what degree he was supportive of
Gene Scott, but Doc read from one of his books) and Pastor Barkocy,
and also Dr. Kenton Beshore who was present at at least one of the
"miracle" services. Can anyone think of any others?- Hide quoted text -
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studio:
Rumor has it that Beshore went to doc's funeral to pay tribute but
also
to let Melissa know that if a replacement was need for the teaching
position, that he would highly recommend Dr. Robert Morey.
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When someone leaves a Christian congregation, they usually do it
quietly. Not so those who leave Faith Community Church, the Irvine
place of worship led by "Dr." Robert Morey, the resume-stretching
"expert" on Islam and emerging cult-of-personality preacher with a
fabulous hairdo and fanatical teachings. There are at least three
people I know who openly blog about Morey, much to his irritation.
Now, add a fourth: Glenn Hendrickson. Now, I usually don't cover
church member comings-and-goings, but Hendrickson's ordeal is telling
of Morey's bellicosity and my monitoring of FCC. To quote from Glenn's
Saturday post:
On Thursday of this week I resigned my membership from Faith Community
Church. Without sharing all of the details of how exactly I came to
take this action I think it would be good for me to clearly state why
I did what I did. In the process of an email conversation with Robert
Morey I was accused of sins which I had not committed. Morey said a
lot of hurtful things, and even stooped so low as to accuse me of
sending an email to other members of the church that I had never sent
or heard of. I asked him to forward me this email and *surprise
surprise* I have not heard from him in two days.
WTF? Accusing someone of sinning, but not saying which? Any good
Christian who heard their pastor treat a member of the flock like this
would leave their church. Let's hope more follow Glenn's lead. And, as
always, Morey bashers and his defenders are welcome to wail away
below!
Joel Hughes has reported that Morey is threatening to sue him.
http://theocentricliving.blogspot.com/
Larry Wessels has asked me to post his comments from an email to Joel.
"Dear Brother Joel,
Greetings in Christ. Keep calm and collected with strength from your
love & faith in the Lord God Almighty. This life has many seemingly
overwhelming tribulations & troubles but staying close to Jesus is the
key to overcoming them all; I for one can certainly testify to that.
You should obviously know by now what type of individual you are
dealing with in Morey and if not, please go back and review the posted
audios on http://www.putfile.com/lieutenantcolumbo/media or the pdf
reports about Morey on http://www.fileqube.com/shfolder/10211vNiXWr or
all the internet links at http://moreylinks.blogspot.com/ or all the
videos posted on Youtube (search truthseekerbobmorey) or the long
version Morey expose videos on Google Video or Yahoo Video (search
Robert Morey).
As documented in the above references, you are dealing with an
individual who is not restricted to dealing with issues in the typical
Biblical Christian way (meaning fair and truthful exchange of
information with a sincere and honest intent) but rather with someone
who will use every device that a saint or a devil would use. In other
words, Morey is not restricted to handling situations in a strictly
Christian manner, but rather he will use any and every gimmick,
threat, slander, fraud, deceit, con, etc. imaginable to attain his
desired goal if he deems it necessary. If he needs to lie he will lie
or if the truth works out better for him in some instances he will
tell the truth, or as other circumstances prevail he may feel that a
half-truth may better serve his purposes. This is the way Morey has
always operated yea these many years (which is one reason why he has
been involved in so many church splits over those same years, going
back to the 1980s).
Keep in mind that you are dealing with a person who sensationalizes
the claims he makes about himself being this great Bible "scholar" as
he sensationalizes the "value" of his "scholarly" books. He does this
because in the end the bottom line for him is that he needs somebody
to actually believe his "sensationalized" claims so they will support
his "ministry" with cash. Cash, and plenty of it, is what energizes
Morey's efforts in all he does when it comes to Christian ministry
(find out more on this at the lieutenantcolumbo site from Morey
himself on the audio file entitled "Morey Condemns Himself.").
The late Police investigator Hank Kitchen (see lieutenantcolumbo) said
it best about Morey when he described Morey as being like a plumber
who picks up his box of tools each day to go out and fix plumbing, to
the plumber it's just a job to make money. At the end of the day the
plumber does whatever he pleases. Hank said Morey uses Christianity
like a plumber's tool box to go out and make money, it's just a job.
One wonders where the love of Christ is in such a ministry as this.
As for myself I have said it since I discovered the "real" Robert
Morey in 1994 and have stated it again and again over the last 14
years in print, video and now the internet (although Morey has
threatened to sue me numerous times, he still has not done so, what is
taking him so long?) that Christians should be aware that Morey is a
"Proverbs 6" man. Proverbs 6 declares the six "yea seven" things "doth
the Lord hate" and I can testify that Morey does all seven! Look up
these verses in your Bible and prove me wrong. I say that Morey does
what he does against Christians not out of love for Christ but so he
can protect his own "filthy lucre" (1 Timothy 3:3,8) attained through
his "tool box" ministry.
Anyway, brother Joel, be strong and steadfast in Christ our Saviour
(Colossians 2: 2-15).
Because of the cross,
Larry Wessels
1 Peter 3:15"
Just as an update, the yahoo and google videos Larry mentioned have
since been added to the lieutenantcolumbo site "Dr. Robert A. Morey
Exposed!"
http://www.putfile.com/lieutenantcolumbo
Posted On: Monday, Jul. 21 2008 @ 11:19PM
Bob Squalonero says:
When I was a Psych major in college, one of the most interesting
personality disorders I studied, was that of "Anti-Social Personality
Disorder" (aka "psychopath" or "sociopath").
One of the trademark of these types of individuals is they like to use
any/every means necessary, in order to manipulate others to do their
bidding.
Interestingly, one of the big "career fields" (if you will) where
these people "thrive" is religious ministry--more specifically, being
religious con artists.
Given what I've read thus far about Robert Morey, I can't help but
wonder if he's one of these types of people.
Posted On: Tuesday, Jul. 22 2008 @ 7:20AM
EXXXX-FCCmember says:
Above Bob S. referred to the possibility that Morey's behavior is
characterized by a personality disorder known as "Anti-Social
Personality Disorder" (aka "psychopath" or "sociopath").
For anyone wanting more information on this, here's something my
sister-in-law sent me on the topic that can be helpful in spotting con
artists. I leave it to you who've been burned by Morey and
subsequently investigated his past behavior patterns as to how well he
matches up against this. As always, those involved in this matter
should consider praying for people on both sides - Morey, his alleged
victims and people on both sides. A couple of well-known people who
have been deemed to have sociopathic tendency by some experts are O.J.
Simpson and President William Clinton.
Again, the information below on the sociopaths can be useful for
spotting con artists. I have a friend who is a retired pastor/
psychologist and he cautioned that people who are pathological liars/
sociopaths can be very difficult to fix, if that’s even possible. He
said many times you really can’t help them until they get to point
they want help, and until they have an internal heart change. It's
similar to when dealing with drug addicts and people attempting
suicide. If they don’t want to be helped it is a difficult situation.
You can only help the person if they’re willing to be changed. Change
can be scary for many people because it is scary to change out of our
comfort zone.
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Profile of a Sociopath
A number of mind-manipulating cult leaders may exhibit many of the
behavioral characteristics of a sociopath--an outstanding ability to
charm and seduce followers. Since they appear apparently normal, they
are not easily recognizable as deviant or disturbed. Although only a
trained professional can make a diagnosis, it is important to be able
to recognize the personality type in order to avoid further abuse.
These traits also apply to a one-on-one cultic relationship.
- Glibness/Superficial Charm
Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince
their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence,
they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive,
they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or
emotionally.
- Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving
behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly
hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument
to be used. They dominate and humiliate their victims.
- Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation
and attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own
fantasies as the "spokesman for God," "enlightened,"
"leader of humankind," etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality
- Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for
them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught
up
in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely
convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.
- Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their
core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets
and
opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices
who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let
nothing stand in their way.
- Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is
more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged
by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would
upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their
promises.
- Incapacity for Love
While they talks about "God's love" they are unable to give or receive
it. Since they do not believe in the geniuses of their followers'
love,
they are very harsh in testing it from their devotees and expect them
to feel guilt for their failings. Expects unconditional surrender.
- Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with
bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and
physical
punishments are normal.
- Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to emphasize with the pain of their victims, having only
contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage
of them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power.
Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt
them, they rationalize the behavior as necessary for their (or the
group's) own "good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of
the exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.
- Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and
approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as
creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful,
all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries,
no concern for their impact on others. The followers only see them as
near perfect.
- Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet
"gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends;
aberrant
behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.
- Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or
indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame
themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group.
Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame,
terror and conformity in the followers.
- Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Totalist leaders frequently practice promiscuity, child sexual abuse,
rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. This is usually kept hidden
from all but the inner circle. Stringent sexual control of their
followers, such as forced breakups and divorces, removal of children
from parents, rules for dating, etc.
- Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the
future. Many groups claim as their goal world-domination or other
utopian promises. Great contrast between the leader's opulent
lifestyle and the followers' impoverishment. Support by gifts and
donations from the followers who are pressured to give through fear
and guilt. Highly sensitive to their own pain and health.
- Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid
prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members.
Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can
resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new twist on
the scam.
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Other Related Qualities:
1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations
where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or
admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs
their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world
The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H.
Cleckley and R. Hare.
NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900
it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has
been termed "antisocial personality disorder."
-------------------------------------------------- The Sociopath (link
offsite)
Letter which covers sociopathic behavior at headquarters
Without Conscience: The disturbing world of the psychopaths among us
by Robert D. Hare
(book) Books exposing Herbert W. Armstrong (includes where to order)
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